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Post by larryS on Mar 14, 2018 2:05:12 GMT
Quote Originally Posted by MisterV View Post Any guesses as to who will be elevated to fill the empty mod slot?>>>> "IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EITHER 1-someone who is happy to follow the leader and treat people as the wiz and BBB do....with contempt and, with the intent to cause someone shame (remember the wiz said he would not eliminate the suspension list because he wants the culprits to feel "shame") With the attitude "dont let the door hit you in the ass" with the psychological need to feel better after infliction of punishment ( the wiz said he suspends whenheis in a bad mood) or 2- someone who will step aside and let the above happen"..AS PER LarryS.......(ON VEGAS CASINO TALK) so Fisk, I saw your recent long post and it kind of makes my answer above to be valid. You certainly arent "1 but you are definately "2. and I say that based on what I will say below and mixed in a question or 2 on WON 1-you have in the past let the other mods do most of the punishing..that is not your bag...I understand. And we had a conversation that doesnt belong here about the inconsistency that it created. 2- YOU had an experience with WON that was less than honorable on his part. 3-yet you notice that he has a sig that invites members to hook up with him 4- you also visit GF and post on a thread that has WON coming across as a psychopath, telling people to fuck their grandmother, or baby sister, flying off the handle, showing pictures of stacks of chips totaling tens of thousands of dollars to prove he is a high roller, extremely vulgar, volatile, unstable 5-you still know at this point he has a sig inviting people to work with him......and you have the power to delete it . The absolute power. You would not be overturned because you act so infrequently that no other mod would go against you since they have acted on far less. And if u didnt want to be viewed as being vindictive...maybe you could have asked mission to do it. 6- you are also told by someone you know to be good at finding socks that WoN is a sock, maybe others told you. 7-but your propensity to stand off to the side and let others act.......allowed the signature invitation to stand. Being allowed to stand may have been interpreted by some as an endorsement by wov since no one else was allowed to advertise. Even though he did you wrong, a trusted person told you he is a sock, he acts like a psychopath on GF, and he was breaking a wov rule by advertising, you couldnt find a reason to act?  ......so its natural for people to question whether you along with other mods were bought and paid for by WoN. There was a shit load of "looking the other way" I dont think based on where you live that Won worked with you, or that money gained from a Won "play" bought your silence....but I cannot say that about the other mods. Won seems to be the kind of guy that will play you by letting you in on a nice "play", have you win the money that it provides, and therefore have you(the general you) in his pocket for the future. Maybe other mods were in his pocket having made money from past ventures. Like the song says....money changes everything. even if you were in a casino area that WoN played...I dont think you could be bought. But who knows....I dont know you and you dont know me.....at least your online persona could not be bought in my opinion. am I off base in any comments above. Pick a number..any number |
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Post by larryS on Mar 14, 2018 2:49:58 GMT
another question for face please
I mentioned this yesterday, and someone mentioned it today on the thread that Mission announced his resignation.
Why was mission left to twist in the wind. Heck, the wiz got nervous when I submitted that members should be treated as valued customers without pointing to one particular mod...and he nuked me for the reason "you know why"....and no other reason.
However mission was being hammered first for deleting a thread....and the wiz said he backed the action. So all the wiz had to do is come on and say "I stand by the action and thats the end of the conversation so lets move on..I am closing the thread"
One member posted assertions that werent correct, and were disproved....multiple times and did so as if it were facts....he wasnt suspended until mission said that he considered it insuting, bullying, flaming.....which it was. And only then did BBB suspend. But until then it was open season on mission. It was allowed to snowball, and it wasnt up to mission to end it because that would seem self serving.
So his resignation is in the hands of the wiz, bbb and you. Since you all had the ability to do what you did in the past....protect your own...vouch for your own, stick up for your own. Suspend others for your own.
I used to point out that the board had a "how dare you" mentality when someone even slightly questioned a mods credibility or actions. But this was allowed to go on and on. I dont want to hear that the wiz was overseas because he says he knows what was going on when mission deleted the thread...and as long as he has internet access it doesnt matter if he is in his living room or at the north pole. It takes the same amount of time to post. Especially for someone who helped you build a site for no pay, while he collected 2 million.
So the other mods stand on the side while the wiz accepts the resignation. And now everyone comes out of the woodwork to say ow great mission was.
that board used to be so heavy handed when a mods actions were questioned......many people were suspended for far less than what was thrown at mission. And it all could have been ended with the wizard ending it.
In your opinion why did it play out that way.
I have an opinion but i wanted to hear your first
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Post by mojo on Mar 14, 2018 8:19:14 GMT
I like Face personally, but he doesn't have any balls when it comes to criticizing the reckless behavior of his fellow mods. And that's sad.
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Post by larryS on Mar 14, 2018 17:04:08 GMT
I dont know him personally like you, but online he seems like a stand up guy. But sometimes one has to pick your spots when "standing up"......and when you are working for free and have nothing financially to lose.....why stand down?
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Post by Cheap as cheap they come on Mar 23, 2018 13:10:52 GMT
Frisky sold his soul for peanuts, well not even that really. To accept being trampled over and label it a pleasure, no big deal, some weird logic in that.
hang on, scrub the peanuts.
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Post by Fisk on Mar 24, 2018 22:41:34 GMT
Quote Originally Posted by MisterV View Post Any guesses as to who will be elevated to fill the empty mod slot?>>>> "IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EITHER 1-someone who is happy to follow the leader and treat people as the wiz and BBB do....with contempt and, with the intent to cause someone shame (remember the wiz said he would not eliminate the suspension list because he wants the culprits to feel "shame") With the attitude "dont let the door hit you in the ass" with the psychological need to feel better after infliction of punishment ( the wiz said he suspends whenheis in a bad mood) or 2- someone who will step aside and let the above happen"..AS PER LarryS.......(ON VEGAS CASINO TALK) so Fisk, I saw your recent long post and it kind of makes my answer above to be valid. You certainly arent "1 but you are definately "2. and I say that based on what I will say below and mixed in a question or 2 on WON 1-you have in the past let the other mods do most of the punishing..that is not your bag...I understand. And we had a conversation that doesnt belong here about the inconsistency that it created. 2- YOU had an experience with WON that was less than honorable on his part. 3-yet you notice that he has a sig that invites members to hook up with him 4- you also visit GF and post on a thread that has WON coming across as a psychopath, telling people to fuck their grandmother, or baby sister, flying off the handle, showing pictures of stacks of chips totaling tens of thousands of dollars to prove he is a high roller, extremely vulgar, volatile, unstable 5-you still know at this point he has a sig inviting people to work with him......and you have the power to delete it . The absolute power. You would not be overturned because you act so infrequently that no other mod would go against you since they have acted on far less. And if u didnt want to be viewed as being vindictive...maybe you could have asked mission to do it. 6- you are also told by someone you know to be good at finding socks that WoN is a sock, maybe others told you. 7-but your propensity to stand off to the side and let others act.......allowed the signature invitation to stand. Being allowed to stand may have been interpreted by some as an endorsement by wov since no one else was allowed to advertise. Even though he did you wrong, a trusted person told you he is a sock, he acts like a psychopath on GF, and he was breaking a wov rule by advertising, you couldnt find a reason to act? ......so its natural for people to question whether you along with other mods were bought and paid for by WoN. There was a shit load of "looking the other way" I dont think based on where you live that Won worked with you, or that money gained from a Won "play" bought your silence....but I cannot say that about the other mods. Won seems to be the kind of guy that will play you by letting you in on a nice "play", have you win the money that it provides, and therefore have you(the general you) in his pocket for the future. Maybe other mods were in his pocket having made money from past ventures. Like the song says....money changes everything. even if you were in a casino area that WoN played...I dont think you could be bought. But who knows....I dont know you and you dont know me.....at least your online persona could not be bought in my opinion. am I off base in any comments above. Pick a number..any number Good stuff. Appreciate this. I'll try to answer best I can... The interaction between he and I really didn't bear mentioning. I did think there were shenanigans, and I left that interaction with a sour taste in my mouth, but it was by all accounts a non-event. After every single thing has come to light; his actions at GF, the manifesto provided, the accusations, it is easy to go back and see my interaction as part of a larger habit of lying and conning. But at the time, it was just a dude I found to be a bit of a douche. And I like to think I mod based on as absolutely little personal stake in it, so my little feelings shouldn't impact my actions on people. GF is my main exposure to him, and I don't align myself with people who act like that. But dude, I'm not all people. There are plenty who couldn't care less about that stuff and just want to work. And the people I DID think he had some affiliation with were Axel, and RS, and DJ, the AP guys, the same guys who were in that thread. Who was I supposed to tell? I didn't know Mission dealt with him. Didn't know darkoz met the two. Had no idea any of those three had ever spoken before. Had no idea GWAE was involved with him. All I knew was he was one of the "players", and so I grouped him with Axel and Co. Me sticking my nose into things seemed inappropriate any way you looked at it. The sig I explained on WoV. Because I grouped him with those guys, and all those guys have met, broke bread, and "work" with management, I assumed it was on the level. Really, I meant what I said at GF and others - I'm not in the loop. I don't have meetings with the other Greens, I'm not included in most of the discussions, the last event that I was brought in on was what to do with Beethoven9th. All these issues where a "discussion has been had with the mods" since the day of B9 has been as much surprise to me as y'all, with very few exception. The rest I hope can be covered by this - I have never had communication with WoN except for our one issue mentioned before. I have never had any business or communication with ANY of the AP guys ever. I don't follow the same thread, if you ken my meaning. I don't even cross their paths that much in forum, as we have different interests and reasons to be here. I MIGHT have a years old PM from Axel about a suspected sock, but I have zero contact or connection with any of these guys. The sum total of my business dealings in the 8 or so years I've been here is easy to recall, and since most of it was public, I'm happy to share. 1BB offered me $100 ('12?) for no reason at all other than I was flat on my ass. I thanked him but declined. I gave Mission $25 (or whatever it was) this last summer as fee for the football pool, my first time ever participating financially in the forum. The year Wiz won the football pool ('14?) he split it to we three mods (BBB, Mission, and myself). And there was one other time when another member offered another no-strings-attached financial charity, which I likewise turned down. Other than that, I was approached roughly 7 years ago to come work in LV doing the surveillance thing. I declined, obv. And that there is the entirety of what could possibly be construed as conflict of interest or potential for scumbaggery. Off base? I think so, but only because I know what I did and did not do. I can see how it looks funny. |
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Post by Fisk on Mar 24, 2018 23:02:06 GMT
another question for face please I mentioned this yesterday, and someone mentioned it today on the thread that Mission announced his resignation. Why was mission left to twist in the wind. Heck, the wiz got nervous when I submitted that members should be treated as valued customers without pointing to one particular mod...and he nuked me for the reason "you know why"....and no other reason. However mission was being hammered first for deleting a thread....and the wiz said he backed the action. So all the wiz had to do is come on and say "I stand by the action and thats the end of the conversation so lets move on..I am closing the thread" One member posted assertions that werent correct, and were disproved....multiple times and did so as if it were facts....he wasnt suspended until mission said that he considered it insuting, bullying, flaming.....which it was. And only then did BBB suspend. But until then it was open season on mission. It was allowed to snowball, and it wasnt up to mission to end it because that would seem self serving. So his resignation is in the hands of the wiz, bbb and you. Since you all had the ability to do what you did in the past....protect your own...vouch for your own, stick up for your own. Suspend others for your own. I used to point out that the board had a "how dare you" mentality when someone even slightly questioned a mods credibility or actions. But this was allowed to go on and on. I dont want to hear that the wiz was overseas because he says he knows what was going on when mission deleted the thread...and as long as he has internet access it doesnt matter if he is in his living room or at the north pole. It takes the same amount of time to post. Especially for someone who helped you build a site for no pay, while he collected 2 million. So the other mods stand on the side while the wiz accepts the resignation. And now everyone comes out of the woodwork to say ow great mission was. that board used to be so heavy handed when a mods actions were questioned......many people were suspended for far less than what was thrown at mission. And it all could have been ended with the wizard ending it. In your opinion why did it play out that way. I have an opinion but i wanted to hear your first I have an almost unbroken record of not interfering. If a mod is already on something, I will only ever interject if I see a way to bring a clearer light to the issue. It's not my place to step in as if I know any better and state how things should or should not be. So straight away, my default stance is to stand by. Mission himself has be adamant from Day 1, no matter where he is, that he will not take action on insults toward himself, so it is not my place to do so for him. Say true, I'd be some sort of pissed if people where interfering with any debate I was having, so I sure don't do it to someone else. And, c'mon, who am I to defend Mission? He's quite capable of answering for himself. But even if none of this applied,...dude, I was as out to lunch as any of you. I was watching this unfold with the same gape-mouthed, wtf look on my face as y'all were. And I'm just not one to go off half cocked. How could I either lynch him or offer aid and succor when I had no Earthly idea of what the fuck was going on? I just don't do that mob shit. I have no stock in 'Being the first!" to point a finger. I'd much rather act with measure and operate with correct information. That I hope satisfies the "why" as to my own actions (or inaction). The others, I don't know. But they've been exposed to the same 7 or so years of Mission I have, so maybe they hold the same feelings. It's not like Mission is a shrinking violet that struggles under pressure. |
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Post by Fisk on Mar 24, 2018 23:29:12 GMT
I like Face personally, but he doesn't have any balls when it comes to criticizing the reckless behavior of his fellow mods. And that's sad. Sure I do. What I don't have is a solution. Ahigh I criticized highly. I did so because he completely ignored anything given to him that was negative or from a negative person, not realizing what he was getting was hugely useful information. I criticized because I saw that problem and tried to help him correct it. I thought it was important, valuable. HELPFUL. I criticized B9, got into a huge thing with him on DT. I saw huge value in his posts, but also huge conflict with his mod beef. I criticized because I thought I could help. I criticized KewlJ pretty publicly. I thought I could help. AZDuffman. I thought I could help. I know these aren't mods, but they do span the gamut from guys I barely know to guys I feel quite close to, guys with whom I'm very different to guys that are just like me. The defining factor is the opportunity for improvement. Other mods, the issue is they rub SOME PEOPLE the wrong way. Others have nothing but good to say. I can't fix one without breaking the other, and that's not a fix. So unless what I have to say is profound or helpful, I see no reason to say it. |
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Post by larryS on Mar 27, 2018 23:34:58 GMT
I like Face personally, but he doesn't have any balls when it comes to criticizing the reckless behavior of his fellow mods. And that's sad. Sure I do. What I don't have is a solution. Ahigh I criticized highly. I did so because he completely ignored anything given to him that was negative or from a negative person, not realizing what he was getting was hugely useful information. I criticized because I saw that problem and tried to help him correct it. I thought it was important, valuable. HELPFUL. I criticized B9, got into a huge thing with him on DT. I saw huge value in his posts, but also huge conflict with his mod beef. I criticized because I thought I could help. I criticized KewlJ pretty publicly. I thought I could help. AZDuffman. I thought I could help. I know these aren't mods, but they do span the gamut from guys I barely know to guys I feel quite close to, guys with whom I'm very different to guys that are just like me. The defining factor is the opportunity for improvement. Other mods, the issue is they rub SOME PEOPLE the wrong way. Others have nothing but good to say. I can't fix one without breaking the other, and that's not a fix. So unless what I have to say is profound or helpful, I see no reason to say it. Thanks for the above and previous response. It was as I would expect from you...level headed, non emotional, non defensive. However theabove question I guess was more rhetorical because I dont excpect you to throw shade on people you are not 100 percent sure deserve it, But I have to comment, having been on the receiving end of punishments from wov, the indifference about mission says something. To me its glaring. And that is in the past a slight questioning of mod motives or actions got you a 3 day suspension. I mentioned at GF a "how dare you" attituded when it came to admin critique. And there was always "its mikes place so what he says goes"...when the wiz made unpopular decisions of punishment. So its "mikes place" and mike said mission acted appropriately when he censored an entire post. That in the past should have been enough.....if you dont like it " dont let the door hit you". All of a sudden the "this is the way it is....if you dont like it tough shit...go somewhere else" customer service mantra wasnt used. It got very quiet. The mob was allowed to voice attack except for one which mission identified as bullying...and once he offered that....another mod stepped in and suspended. Otherwise others stood by while the mob did its job. Mission threw out a trial balloon and said he might resign and he met no resistance. no mods came out and said.."if its true all these things that WoN was involved with, he is a disgusting con man." Nope. It makes me think there may have been some financial gain from Won that others kept quiet about. Monet on another site tells of BBB accepting over 1000 dollars in rooms and food from him, even though he says he told her that he is a shady type guy...a conman, a thief.(his words). So if she took from monet....did she take from WoN? Did the Wiz remain silent because he financially profited from WoN? Did the wiz side with QFIT because he financially profited from him? And when BBB told QFIT to stand down and stop talking about issues with KJ for weeks after KJ was gone.....he ignored her and did nothing. Why would you suppose. Was it because the wiz was QFITS protector.? And obviously he was. And if so, was it due to past profits hoping for future financial enrichments. It seems alot of mods looked the other way regarding the sig of WoN. Why do you suppose. Again if BBB was wined and dined on a comp from monet with a 800 dollar bottle of wine, and a bunch of meals and rooms(according to him). in one stay. I asked monet did BBB know you claim to be dirty, shady... and he says yes, he tells everyone up front who they are dealing with. Although not verbally vouching for someone.....an unsuspecting mark can assume vouching when a well respected mod from wov or the wiz himself is seen in public with an un-announced conman. And in the case of BBB....she was seen by people dining and on the casino floor with monet. If he wanted to use her for increased cred...he could have if he wanted to. so in my mind the mods needed a scapegoat...someone to point to and say"we purged our system of a bad apple and now we are clean"........i dont buy that at all...... |
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Post by Fisk on Mar 30, 2018 23:19:21 GMT
Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you're asking...
I do disagree with your statement that the mods jump on anyone and ban them when they are criticized. I would be confident (but not factually sure) that Mission has never done such a thing. I could find quote of him, several, actually, where he said he wouldn't even suspend for insults against him, and that's a 100% intact track record of that he holds. I guarantee I never have, either. Babs? I know she's gotten involved over critique of the forum itself, and on "mod performance". But c'mon. Babs gets hammered non-stop and always has. If your statement were true, there'd be examples aplenty to review. I don't think there is.
The forum at large? I took their non-response as I did my own. Sort of swept off feet and standing by to see what happens. I didn't read anything sinister into it.
Wiz and QFIT? Why you gotta drag me back in this, man? =p I took QFIT's neglect of Babs request as disrespect, surely. I assume her lack of response after the fact was due to uncertainty about the relationship between he and Wiz. I know I very much wished to step in there myself, and I'll tell you straight up I declined for just that reason. But as to what that relationship actually is or was, I haven't the faintest. I personally assumed it was a case of names. A couple of known guys who "internet know" each other, and being able to reach out, perhaps reference each other was of some personal value. I never thought or felt there was an actual personal friendship, nor did I ever think there was some kind of business aspect.
Mod silence about the sig? Only answer I got is the one I gave for myself, that I was so out to lunch that silence was all I had. Two ears, one mouth, and all that.
I dunno. I was nearly actually shocked as this all began. But as things have been revealed, I have no suspicion that Mission was involved with WoN nefariously or in concert with him at the pain of forum members. It feels like little more than he was caught in that place when you have to punish someone you actually know or have done business with IRL. And since he knew AND he was a mod, he certainly had power observe WoN and intervene if WoN decided to scumbag it up. Perhaps that fact was enough to morally justify it enough to keep quiet and avoid the stress of dinging someone you knew. I dunno, just thinking out loud...
But I sure don't believe that any mod, or member, for that matter, was somehow in on it or helping him proliferate. Perhaps by proxy, in the way it seemed he used Mish, but not knowingly.
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......so its natural for people to question whether you along with other mods were bought and paid for by WoN. There was a shit load of "looking the other way"
