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Post by kj on Sept 1, 2017 7:19:17 GMT
WoV member BillRyan, who posted as Shadroch at Gambling Forums and at Blackjackinfo, where I first knew him from. So When BillRyan began posting at WoV last year, one of the first things was join the "kewlJ" thread to attack me. Another member of the KJ fan club, although interestingly to my face (so to speak) at Gamblingforums only a month prior he wrote that he considered me a "friend".
So as part of his attack last year june 6, at WoV, BillRyan incorrectly stated that my story of being homeless at 18 and starting my blackjack career, while homeless, didn't make sense. Good reason for that. THAT is not the story! He is conflating two different times in my life.
I was homeless from my 18th birthday in March of my senior year in High School, until I graduated 3 months later in June, during which time I lived in a homeless shelter, while attending my final 3 months of high school and graduating.
Upon graduating I moved to Philadelphia, Lived with my grandparents for 6 months, got a job working retail and eventually moved out to my own apartment with a roommate, while I continued to work my retail job. I knew nothing of, nor had any interest in blackjack at the time.
Sometime during the year that I was 20 years old, I bough a blackjack book by Lance Humble, modestly (could have said humbly) titled "World's Greatest Blackjack Book". At that time probably 6 months before my 21 birthday, while still working a fulltime retail job, I became interested in blackjack. And a few months later, when I quit that retail job after being robbed for a third time in 3 years, I began my blackjack career, with my life savings of $4300 from working that retail job.
At no time did I ever claim to be homeless at the start of or any time during my blackjack career. I struggled mightily the first few years, and lived on a shoestring existence, but always had a home and always managed to pay my share of rent.
So when Billryan conflated these facts last year, whether intentionally or mis-remembering, McAllister3200, called him out on it and said he was either mis-remembering or lying. Shortly after that the thread was closed.
So here is Billryan bring up the same erroneous, conflated story again (D-day thread), now a year later. At this point one can only assume, he isn't mis-remembering, but intentionally lying, as McAllister suggested.
So to Fisk and Mission, I ask: Is it fair that a guy gets to lie about me, when I can't respond? He has now brought up the same inconsistency twice, so one can only assume he is intentionally lying. I would ask someone to ask Billryan where I ever said I was homeless as a professional BJ AP? I mean the record is still there. Blackjackinfo where he claims I said this is still around, recently brought back to life by the same LCB that owns WoV. In the name of fairness....ask him to show where I ever said that.
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Post by Mrv on Sept 1, 2017 7:31:12 GMT
Rule 16:
"Messages from banned members: Do not quote anything, neither public nor private, a banned member has said. If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer. (Added 6/9/2016)"
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Post by kj on Sept 1, 2017 10:29:14 GMT
Rule 16: "Messages from banned members: Do not quote anything, neither public nor private, a banned member has said. If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer. (Added 6/9/2016)" Added 6/09/2016. Interesting. I wonder who that was directed at? Wasn't the first time rules were changed mid-stream. I go back to Wizard announcing my banning. "While normally we don't consider things said on other sites.....I am banning KewlJ for something said on another site"
Anyway, my concerns have been addressed.
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Post by larryS on Sept 1, 2017 17:07:40 GMT
by lying what was he trying to say.
what point was he trying to make by way of the lie.
I mean he lied, was corrected by an independent person, and still does it....to what end?
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Post by kj on Sept 1, 2017 17:53:59 GMT
by lying what was he trying to say. what point was he trying to make by way of the lie. I mean he lied, was corrected by an independent person, and still does it....to what end? Just to discredit me. He said something along the lines of "while KewlJ is well thought of here (WoV), his story was never credibile". He then went on to reference me being homeless while starting my blackjack career at age 18. McAllister (who isn't one of my biggest fan's) corrected him that I was homeless for 3 months while I was 18, but didn't start my blackjack career until several years later, when I had a job and apartment. That didn't stop him...Billryan (shadroch at gambling forums), repeated the exact same conflated details. McAllister corrected him a second time and unpleasantries were exchanged. The thread was closed shortly after.
Now more than a year later, Billryan brings it up yet again. Conflating the details in an attempt to discredit me yet again, despite having been corrected twice. I call that attacking me, trying to discredit me on a site that I can not respond. That is cowardice. And the really sad thing about Billryan is only a week prior to this back in june 2016, he was at gambling forums posting as Shadroch, saying he respected me and considered me a friend. I even shared some promotional info with him concerning the local type casino's since he was new to Vegas. I week later he is at WoV attacking me. As I said with friends like this.....
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Post by larryS on Sept 1, 2017 19:57:47 GMT
If he is trying to discredit you , I dont see how he plans to do that.
Its not like he did indepedent research and found that you were homeless at one point.
And lets say you were homeless at the beginning of your BJ career. So what. Dont people get better at their trade as time goes on. Even if the timeline was true....what negative does it say about you.
Do all BJ players get out of the gate cleanly running at full speed?? I doubt it. So how does it discredit you to say(even if false) that you werent successful at the very beginning.
I just dont get what the discredit part is
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Post by Fisk on Sept 2, 2017 1:27:32 GMT
I need to prep for this first. Allow me a statement.
You, kj, last accused me of deceiving everyone in a forum with the intention to sabotage a thread you insinuated that I did not like. Despite years of opinion as to the strength or lack thereof of my character as well as a pointed, specific argument to the contrary by me, you have made no effort since then to address, further argue, or recant those comments. And now, you charge me with not acting on a comment made a year ago from a guy whom you know from another place where you can contact him, but haven't? And over the fact that he mistakenly thought you were homeless when you were 22 instead of 19?
I've got to have this wrong. Correct it, and maybe we can continue.
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Post by larryS on Sept 2, 2017 2:11:46 GMT
one time frank stanton called me "kike" and I forgave him, and I would do anything for him if he asked me.
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Post by Mrv on Sept 2, 2017 3:04:07 GMT
one time frank stanton called me "kike" and I forgave him, and I would do anything for him if he asked me. Of course you would. You're a mensch.
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Post by kj on Sept 2, 2017 3:27:20 GMT
I need to prep for this first. Allow me a statement. You, kj, last accused me of deceiving everyone in a forum with the intention to sabotage a thread you insinuated that I did not like. Despite years of opinion as to the strength or lack thereof of my character as well as a pointed, specific argument to the contrary by me, you have made no effort since then to address, further argue, or recant those comments. And now, you charge me with not acting on a comment made a year ago from a guy whom you know from another place where you can contact him, but haven't? And over the fact that he mistakenly thought you were homeless when you were 22 instead of 19? I've got to have this wrong. Correct it, and maybe we can continue. Now you, Fisk are conflating two different issues. The fact that I suggested something about your intention on another matter has zilch to do with this issue.
I am not going back to the other issue right no where I guess I hurt your feelings. I am talking about a completely different issue. And the facts of this issue do involve comments that billryan made over a year ago. BUT...when he quotes those comments from a year ago into a new thread two days ago, it no loner is an issue from over a year ago. It is now a fresh new attack.
I suggest you go back and read billryans comments from June 6, 2016. He made many comment attempting to discredit me, saying things like "KJ's story of being a homeless youth, riding the bus to AC to make a living playing blackjack at 18 were not credible".
McAllister corrected him that I was homeless in Florida for 3 months when I was 18 and began my BJ career 3 years later in Philadelphia, when I had a job and home.
After McAllister corrected him, Billryan then doubled down, saying "the stories he told on the blackjack site, which was he was homeless at the time. I always wondered how an 18 year old got away with playing in AC." Which is just completely false. 2 different events 3 years apart.
McAllister then replied "Either you are remembering incorrectly, been a long time, or you are a liar."
Billryan responded " I don't appreciate being called a liar, especially if its only based on the word of a guy who is a proven bullshitter. Was he homeless at the time? Who knows. I only know what he was claiming."
McAllister then replied with the dog comment "Yes I was, like I said your memory is likely shit on this was a long time ago, I didn't say you're a liar that's just one of two possibilities. Either you don't care to go back and look to find a post where the two of them go together, or you're being intentionally misleading about it to smear him because you don't care for his other antics, in either case if you don't have the time to prove that point and want to go about saying it its a low move either way. Hope your dog gets run over in front of you".
Seven minutes later the thread was closed.
Now yes, this all occurred more than a year ago....BUT when billryan quotes these comments yet again, 2 day's ago, it becomes fresh new attacks! He is still trying to discredit me by conflating two separate issues, that were 3 years apart.....despite that he had been corrected more than 3 different times.
Re-quoting attacks from a year ago = fresh new attacks (that are just blatantly false) for the sole purpose of discrediting me.
But, I guess you fisk are saying, "well you said something about me that I didn't like and haven't apologized for", so don't expect any help from me.
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Post by larryS on Sept 2, 2017 3:57:55 GMT
But, I guess you fisk are saying, "well you said something about me that I didn't like and haven't apologized for", so don't expect any help from me.>>>KJ
ummmmmmm.....life works that way.
The blacks burned my family out of newark......and since then I never hired one....nor live in their neighborhoods. I wish no ill will on this generation but I just avoid being put in the position of violence and looting in my life based on recent past, and decades past.
there are repercussions for actions.
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Post by Fisk on Sept 2, 2017 4:25:23 GMT
Ah. That's what I missed. The "two days ago" portion. Please forgive my previous notion of absurdity.
My presence at WoV has been intermittent at best. I pop in about once daily and usually get timed out after viewing 0-1 pages. As long as that happens, which it has for several weeks now, that's my only foray into it. I haven't read or kept up on anything as a result, and my one request to do so resulted in me passing it off, which took 2 days to even reply to him. When it comes to WoV, I'm about completely impotent atm.
But that will obviously be fixed, so let's get ahead of it here...
You want me to enter the thread and correct him on your behalf? To do exactly what Mcallister did, just before it was closed. To reopen a thread or start anew or derail another to rehash the very thing that's already been said?
Someone said something false, was corrected, and you want I or Mission to +1 the correction. Does that about sum it up?
If so, then my sensitivities aside, then I see nothing that encourages me to act. I tend not to speak when the opinion I want expressed has already been stated, such as this has. I further tend not to engage in personal issues unless I see a way or feel a need to steer it away from a cliff's edge, which this by its nature cannot happen. And I'm a big believer in letting sleeping dogs lie; oftentimes I will think of something after the fact, but if the topic is waning, I give it a chance to die of its own accord.
Going further with it, there is no technical violation by which BR deserves disturbing, nor by your explanation do I see a judgement call. Or, I should say, a call beyond the one which was made. Should he devote a thread to chuck his darts, I'd nix it with warning just as I did for the banned LarryS. If he merely kept invoking your name, he would be steered away one way or the hard way as any other person who brings external personal beefs into the fray is steered away. Here, it appeared he started down a path that promoted a problem, so the path was corrected and then blocked.
There. Didna even have to go into my sensitivities. On its face, I just don't see what there is to gain.
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Post by kj on Sept 2, 2017 4:29:41 GMT
I don't even know what to say to that example you gave, Larry, so I will say nothing.
Yes, for some Life works that way. Other's compartmentalize. McAllister who defended me in that thread, has been one of my biggest critics for my behavior since leaving WoV. Yet, when he saw wrong he still called the guy out. That is also the way I try to be.
Despite my year long crusade against Mike and the way he treated me, there were a handful of times at GF's that someone made some kind of real goofy/nasty attack, and I said, well I see no evidence of THAT. I will admit, compartmentalizing and being able to overcome a grudge is not my strong point, but I do try.
And I thought Fisk was in the same boat. He 'lectured' me pretty harshly a couple times about letting go and moving on. In lieu of that advice, the opening line of his reply seems a tad bit hypocritical, like Mr Fisk has a bit of the "hold a grudge" in his DNA. That's fine.
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Post by kj on Sept 2, 2017 4:42:52 GMT
You want me to enter the thread and correct him on your behalf? To do exactly what Mcallister did, just before it was closed. To reopen a thread or start anew or derail another to rehash the very thing that's already been said? Someone said something false, was corrected, and you want I or Mission to +1 the correction. Does that about sum it up? Seems our posts crossed as we typed. I appreciate the explanation. And I renounce my statement of just a few minutes ago that you may have some of the "hold a grudge" DNA. Perhaps you are still a better person that I.
As to what I am quoting above. I simply ask of you and Mission....is it right that the guy continues to attack me, in an obvious attempt to discredit me, when I am unable to respond? Yes, I am aware I am not a welcome member of WoV, but I am a professional AP and member of the AP community and I think it really sucks that a poster is allowed to attack me and my credibility when I can not respond. This is very cowardice action.
And in this particular case, the guy has been corrected three different times and yet STILL a year later, brought it up again, with the false, conflated timeline. He brought it up again, despite that he now KNOWS it is false...simply to discredit me.
I don't think that is right, but I can do nothing about it. So I am asking you and Mission, two guys that I respect and are involved in that site....Do you think this is right?
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Post by larryS on Sept 2, 2017 5:06:54 GMT
And I thought Fisk was in the same boat. He 'lectured' me pretty harshly a couple times about letting go and moving on. In lieu of that advice, the opening line of his reply seems a tad bit hypocritical, like Mr Fisk has a bit of the "hold a grudge" in his DNA. That's fine.>>>
maybe he was saying that you can let something go, but it doesnt mean if the wiz called you up and asked you to do him a favor....you would comply
My personal example is just like that. I dont steam over the newark riots and the way the black community fucked the white businessmen. I dont go on message boards continually wishing ill on the black community. I dont think about them. And I dont put myself in positions where I have much contact with them. I can live my life happily without a thought of them and without daily angst. But if someone from the black community wants a donation from me or a job....I will kindly bow out.
And thats how life works. No one from the black commnity apologies to society, and locals for riots. They just rationalize them and give excuses for them. And for this there are consequences.
So is it hard to fathom that there are consequences for wronging someone without a follow up apology?
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